Zeke - great balanced analysis (per usual;). In addition to temperature increase, you now have me thinking about temperature at *altitude* increase... I never put together the simple fact that as temps rise, it will be likely for 'stabilizing ice' below a (heavier) suspended glacier would go first.
My immediate curiosity of the middle chart of the 2nd graphic (labeled "Cumulative Regional Mass Change"), was interest in its derivative; perhaps arriving at 'regional *rate* of cumulative mass/year', etc. The slope notably steepens at 2020. If there was also data of the altitude of given losses/yr, it may be interesting to find the correlation between the increased rate of mass vs altitude - to visualize if there's correlation to the passing years (thus temp) vs estimated altitude of the fallen glaciers 'last straw'...
As this isn't close to my field (I'm an engineer in next-gen renewables), I have no idea if my inquiry here is even relevant. Perhaps its just my way of performing risk-analysis on MBTF for high-altitude glaciers! ;) Thx for what you do...
Even though climate change forensics is spotty and attribution of disasters to climate change is at best "climate change certainly puts fuel on the fire" I follow the duck rule. If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck it is a duck. The duck brandishes Occam's Razor to climate change.
If it looks like a landslide, it's a landslide - with some contribution likely from local warming related to human-caused global warming. Zeke, have you assessed this particular satellite before/after? https://x.com/WxNB_/status/2092875025246261494 (Trying to gauge if it is accurate, relevant)
The attribution debate, as you say, is an utter and even irresponsible distraction from "the urgent need to reduce vulnerability." The problem is that is incredibly hard, as well, particularly with all the risk factors - hazard, exposure, vulnerability - mostly heading in the wrong direction. There was a great interview on Singapore TV today with Basanta Raj Adhikari, who was a guest on my Sustain What show in 2023 after a glacial outburst flood disaster. He said: "I’m very worried because the cascading and compounding hazards event are increasing every year, and this is in an unprecedented rate. So that’s why the changing of temperature or the climate change and then non-engineered infrastructure development in this part of the world will raise or will increase the vulnerability, and that will be really, really difficult for people and the risks will be increased. So that is the biggest worry for me." My running coverage: https://revkin.substack.com/p/how-himalayan-warming-geology-and
Well stated, thank you. Of course, attribution of every geologic phenomenon is perhaps not that significant in the backdrop of so many ecological, agricultural and energy imbalance observations of large-scale catastrophic human-induced disturbance. We are surrounded in ecological collapse and think its just normal.
if you divide ice lost by GDP, the trend disappears. checkmate, alarmist.
Zeke - great balanced analysis (per usual;). In addition to temperature increase, you now have me thinking about temperature at *altitude* increase... I never put together the simple fact that as temps rise, it will be likely for 'stabilizing ice' below a (heavier) suspended glacier would go first.
My immediate curiosity of the middle chart of the 2nd graphic (labeled "Cumulative Regional Mass Change"), was interest in its derivative; perhaps arriving at 'regional *rate* of cumulative mass/year', etc. The slope notably steepens at 2020. If there was also data of the altitude of given losses/yr, it may be interesting to find the correlation between the increased rate of mass vs altitude - to visualize if there's correlation to the passing years (thus temp) vs estimated altitude of the fallen glaciers 'last straw'...
As this isn't close to my field (I'm an engineer in next-gen renewables), I have no idea if my inquiry here is even relevant. Perhaps its just my way of performing risk-analysis on MBTF for high-altitude glaciers! ;) Thx for what you do...
Even though climate change forensics is spotty and attribution of disasters to climate change is at best "climate change certainly puts fuel on the fire" I follow the duck rule. If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck it is a duck. The duck brandishes Occam's Razor to climate change.
If it looks like a landslide, it's a landslide - with some contribution likely from local warming related to human-caused global warming. Zeke, have you assessed this particular satellite before/after? https://x.com/WxNB_/status/2092875025246261494 (Trying to gauge if it is accurate, relevant)
As Earth 🔥 many who are paid to warn us dare not say climate change caused it because so many fear Trump fear false I'll fools fear the banquerers
The attribution debate, as you say, is an utter and even irresponsible distraction from "the urgent need to reduce vulnerability." The problem is that is incredibly hard, as well, particularly with all the risk factors - hazard, exposure, vulnerability - mostly heading in the wrong direction. There was a great interview on Singapore TV today with Basanta Raj Adhikari, who was a guest on my Sustain What show in 2023 after a glacial outburst flood disaster. He said: "I’m very worried because the cascading and compounding hazards event are increasing every year, and this is in an unprecedented rate. So that’s why the changing of temperature or the climate change and then non-engineered infrastructure development in this part of the world will raise or will increase the vulnerability, and that will be really, really difficult for people and the risks will be increased. So that is the biggest worry for me." My running coverage: https://revkin.substack.com/p/how-himalayan-warming-geology-and
It is climate change induced the glaciers melting people drowning etc
Lot of folks are afraid to admit the truth even though they know it.
Well stated, thank you. Of course, attribution of every geologic phenomenon is perhaps not that significant in the backdrop of so many ecological, agricultural and energy imbalance observations of large-scale catastrophic human-induced disturbance. We are surrounded in ecological collapse and think its just normal.