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Andy @Revkin's avatar

As I've been asking on X, how can you have high confidence for a ghg-forcing signal in extreme rainfall events if your (and IPCC) primary timeline is "since 1950" given many sobering paleo studies in various places - Caribbean for hurricanes (Donnelly et al 2007), US Northeast (extreme scouring floods, 2002 Noren et al etc) and California (2024 for atmospheric rivers) showing past bouts of extrarodinary storminess in various climate conditions on the long timescales necessary to understand patterns in rare events? Here's a query I sent to the folks at World Weather Attribution: As you likely know I’ve been reporting on the seriousness of human-driven climate change since 1988. At the same time, my extensive reporting on paleo climate research has been humbling in revealing past patterns in extreme events (particularly storms and extreme rainfall but also drought).

One question I’ve had about attribution studies on extreme precipitation events (and tropical systems) is this: Doesn’t the robustness of the CO2 attribution hinge on whether climate models fully capture and reproduce variability in extreme events over long time scales?

Relevant papers are linked on X here:

https://x.com/revkin/status/1802651814728253615?s=51&t=NSdlg-25PEF03VHLsAWnjg

Relevant studies keep piling up, including this new one on atmospheric rivers…

Atmospheric river activity during the late Holocene exceeds modern range of variability in California

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01357-z

Can you point me to output of yours or others that addresses this question?

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Ken Fabian's avatar

In drier regions and conditions warmer air means it takes higher water vapor content to reach saturation in order to rain; those will occur less often and it will tend to rain less. As well as have higher evaporation potential, ie more drying. Water vapor content only rises where there is a source of water to make vapor.

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