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Brian Smith's avatar

"Thus, wind power has reduced the cost of electricity."

Umm - wind power has reduced the wholesale price of electricity. But the cost of electricity includes all the subsidies that went into building the renewable facilities, as well as the production credits that are paid for every kilowatt hour generated. These costs don't show up in the wholesale price, but they are still paid.

You have quoted the Princeton Net Zero America project and the Berkeley 2035 study as supporting the cost competitiveness of renewable energy. But both studies explicitly rely on continued subsidies and mandates for use of renewables, along with extremely low capital costs, to keep wholesale costs "comparable" to current costs.

You say there's "No evidence that renewables increase cost of electricity", but you use a very peculiar approach to look for the evidence. Why not simply look at the amount spent to subsidize renewables, and the economics of renewable plants without the subsidies? Why not include the cost of maintaining a system with full generating capacity, to cover days when the wind doesn't blow?

"You cannot look at the pervasive dishonesty about the cost of renewables by itself. Instead, you have to see it as part of a bigger effort to rig the market." You could look in the mirror. If you really didn't think about the issues I raised, you should do more research before you repeat other people's talking points. If you did think about them, you should realize you undermine your credibility by pretending these issues don't exist.

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Duke's avatar

At the personal pocketbook level, here is my example. Solar added to house with less than ideal sun coverage due to trees, even in January, has generated over half the electricity we use. That’s with an all electric house and two EVs and a well pump. In the 6 months of better sun we generate more than we use and have our own battery storage for overnight. If we cut trees around the house that would be true year round.

Another example, my sister in law lost power for three weeks as a result of Helene. Full solar power on house meant they cooked for neighbors, did laundry, offered showers and kept EV’s charged.

Did that cut the price of electricity? It did for my checkbook.

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