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R Earl's avatar

Missing from that very first graph appears to be New Zealand. Our electricity price is probably on par with US cents per kwh, and we're at 85% or more renewable... that would just about put us down in the "No Cheap Renewable" portion of that deluded lying graph.

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I appreciate your attempts to link energy prices to renewables. However, prices are often misleading or incomplete as indicators of total cost. There have been significant periods when European wholesale prices have been negative - when generators paid someone to use their electricity. Julien Jomaux has written about this extensively (most recently https://gemenergyanalytics.substack.com/p/what-has-been-the-impact-of-solar). This certainly doesn't mean that consumers are seeing negative prices - it reflects the fact that public policy requires utilities to buy all available "green" power; for hours with more green power than total demand, this leads to grid operators paying other generators to go off line. Julien Jomaux has also documented this topic, but focuses mainly on the impact on business cases for investors. The cost of operating the grid also includes "ancillary services" of several types, including load balancing; systems with a lot of renewable generation require more of these ancillary services - Julien Jomaux has written extensively about this as well.

About 75% of German electric bills comes from levies, charges, and taxes (https://www.germanledtech.de/en/news/electricity-bill-simply-explained/). These are all charged as cents per kWh, which explains why German retail electric prices are so high. These charges include fees of about 7.5 cents per kWh explicitly for green energy.

Portugal has about the same renewables percent as Germany and much lower retail prices. In Portugal, the only parts of the bill that vary with consumption are the generating charge and VAT (https://www.realestate-algarve.info/posts/electricity/). Other fees and charges are fixed amounts per customer; I can't tell from my ten minutes' research whether these fixed prices include any green energy charges, but the point is that they don't go into the cost per kWh, which goes a long way toward explaining why Portugal's retail prices are lower than Germany's.

I respect your abilities and credentials as a climate scientist. But it might be better to leave explorations of the cost of energy to people more familiar with electricity markets and pricing, or at least to people willing to spend some effort researching the topic.

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