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Brian Smith's avatar

You've convinced me - emissions from electric generation today are lower than they would have been if solar and wind had not increased over the last 20 years. I'm glad the discussion seems to have moved beyond rapid, deep decarbonization regardless of cost.

From a real-world perspective, I think the more interesting question is, "How much are people (and governments) willing to pay for emissions reductions in terms of higher energy prices and lower reliability?" A related question would be "How much would solar and wind have increased, absent requirements and subsidies?"

On the first, I think the answer is "Not as much as they have been paying." I think higher energy prices, particularly for electricity, have contributed significantly to economic stagnation in most of Europe, and have reduced growth and prosperity in the US. The economic consequences have contributed to the rise of right-wing populism in both regions. In poorer areas, I think people and governments would have eagerly chosen less expensive energy sources that could provide more energy to facilitate economic growth, if they hadn't been coerced by conditions imposed by international aid and financial institutions.

This implies that the answer to the related question is "Not nearly as much as they have."

I expect China would have pursued wind and solar development, because China wants to reduce dependence on imported fuel. Whether this makes good economic sense is a different question.

A.D. Riggle's avatar

This article is written by a man trying to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic, with other men arguing in the comments about exactly which way to rearrange them. It's exhausting.

Does anyone actually think this civilization can (or should be) saved? Humanity is too big for its britches. Why is no one talking about how to plan for the inevitable collapse of energy? Wind turbines, solar, nuclear, and all the rest are fantasies. They cannot be sustained without oil. We are going back to wood world, friends. Let's start preparing for that inevitability now. And for god sakes, let's put our energy into dealing with the envuironmental nightmare we've created with nuclear energy.

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