Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Anton Alferness's avatar

I appreciate the write up Zeke, to disambiguate this funky calculation problem, the effects of which are (perhaps) more irritant than reality (?). The reality is we need to reduce emissions and remove CO2 and CH4 / convert CH4 (ISA) as fast and as much as possible, which continues to slide downward on a diminishing hope slope (yeah, I said hope slope). The reality is they are different gases with different dynamics, so treating them differently makes good sense. Recommending a different framework than the CO2e gwp20 vs gwp100 is in line with what my grandmother told me many years ago: stop touching me.

Kevin Trenberth's avatar

I was not that keen on the title or some of the write-up until we get toward the end: namely that Methane and Carbon Dioxide should be treated separately, as there really is no equivalent and the GWPs can be quite misleading. The conflict is highlighted by the fact that methane has a lifetime of 10 years or so (e-folding) - so it is all gone in about 20 years - and the use of a 100 year time frame for GWP.

It is also very important to separate out fossil methane from biogenic methane. The latter is circular (starts as CO2, goes into grass and plants, is eaten by animals and converted to methane, that ends up as CO2), while fossil methane contributes to more CO2.

61 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?