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Dan Miller's avatar

We interviewed van Vuuren about this last week: https://youtube.com/live/MYWokv0Byas

He said we can still see RCP8.5 implied temperatures even without RCP8.5 emissions.

RCP8.5 is an *emissions* scenario which is then translated to GHG concentrations, then to forcings, then to temperature. While we may not be on the worst case RCP8.5 emissions scenario, we are currently tracking the worst case RCP8.5 implied *forcing*.

Also note that there is a tremendous amount of assumed CDR in the translation from emissions to temperature. You can see it in the graphs that show negative emissions. But even those without below zero emissions assume a lot of CDR!

If Hansen is correct that ECS=4.5ºC, then even lower actual emissions can lead to RCP8.5 implied temperatures. We are currently on track for +2ºC warming in the 2030s and +3ºC in the 2050s/60s.

It's nice that we are not on track for RCP8.5 emissions. But we are on track for +3ºC or more warming and that is utterly catastrophic! We need to start taking climate action seriously.

Roger Pielke Jr.'s avatar

Good stuff overall! But a few big issues

1. RCP8.5 was not designed as a "worst case" scenario.

It was the highest of the RCP set, and the only baseline.

But that by itself does not mean "worst case."

RCP8.5 comes from the MESSAGE family and originated in A2r (Riahi 2007) and A2 (SRES).

Of A2 SRES was explicit: "A2 is far from an environmental "worst case" scenario, even if it generally has the highest GHG emissions."

So maybe another communication failure.

2. You treat the AR6 baseline range as an accurate forecast distribution and then use that distribution to evaluate the effects of climate policy.

That range is contaminated by the return-to-coal hypothesis, flawed GDP assumptions, and erroneous population projections We dive into this here: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/abcdd2

And updated here for AR6:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2214347119

We conditioned the AR5 scenarios on consistency with recent trends and near term projections and arrived at a subset of plausible scenarios that project 2.2C (at the center) for 2100 https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac4ebf

So in your exercise, you might have used that subset of scenarios rather than the full AR6 range, which we know is full of implausible scenarios

So to answer the question, what effect has climate policy had?

We should not rely on scenarios as forecasts

Instead, we should rely on traditional methods of policy evaluation

So far, global decarbonization has not accelerated, as would be necessary for climate (mitigation) policy to have had a discernible effect to date

Figure here: https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/understanding-decarbonization

For climate policy to have an effect, we would have to see an inflection point in the curve at some point in the future

Climate policy may indeed be responsible for maintaining this rate of decline (and probably is)

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