Skeptics often point out that Earth has experienced the same levels of CO2 and temperature as the modern era. What this graph emphasizes is that at no point in the past 66 million years has Earth experienced today’s combination of CO₂ concentration and global temperature.
We have forced the climate system out of equilibrium into unfamiliar territory. We are truly conducting an unprecedented experiment.
If you have the time, you can watch Doctuh Dessler slap down three of the contributors to the DoE report (whose quality of work reminds me of my days dealing with Creationists):
Well, yes and no. They cited our work accurately. At the same time, I oppose red team vs blue team assessments. I wrote:
"The Blue team has responded to the report of the Department of Energy’s Climate Working Group (DOE CWG) — the Red team. Together, the two reports show how not to do scientific assessment.
Led by Andrew Dessler of Texas A&M and Robert Kopp of Rutgers, the report (DK25) includes contributions from 85 contributors (mostly academics from various disciplines) and spans 459 pages. The authors should be commended for working fast to prepare their substantive response. Science is better when discussion and debate take place."
Some in the climate science community appear to want to stoke conflict and polarization.
Some in the evolutionary biology community appear to want to stoke conflict and polarization.
Maybe "stoke conflict" wasn't the best term for this.
I use the term "waging standard vicious scientific data-driven hypothesis wars" to describe those professional geneticists and model-testers and field observers who tailor their arguments for other experts in the scientific community.
I use the term "doubtmongering" to apply to those religiously-motivated Creationists who target their arguments at non-experts like journalists and politicians, rife with non sequiturs and logical fallacies.
[Knee-jerk complete. I should go back to running my meth labs now.]
Easter is a time of reflection on resurrection for some of us. We'll fight to bring the report back to life. Trump made a big mistake messin' with The Big All.
Andrew,
Thanks for the shout out.
I have one more takeaway for the graph of GMST vs CO2 with the overlay of deep-time equilibrium, glacial-interglacial data and industrial era measurements. https://justdean.substack.com/p/anthropogenic-emissions-are-driving
Skeptics often point out that Earth has experienced the same levels of CO2 and temperature as the modern era. What this graph emphasizes is that at no point in the past 66 million years has Earth experienced today’s combination of CO₂ concentration and global temperature.
We have forced the climate system out of equilibrium into unfamiliar territory. We are truly conducting an unprecedented experiment.
-Dean
If you have the time, you can watch Doctuh Dessler slap down three of the contributors to the DoE report (whose quality of work reminds me of my days dealing with Creationists):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTYLswTEVS8
Otherwise, here's a summary of his response to their work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDmGhethEoQ
Karma is real, believe it or not.
You got it!
Karma will bite back. Always does.
I see footnote 8 as an astute way to not tangle the Endangerment rollback with a controversial report. Just the way I read it.
Absolutely. They would have been roasted in court if they tried to use this to attack the science.
Hi Andrew,
No need to speculate on my views of the CWG report. I have discussed them at length and invited responses from any and all.
See:
https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/the-climate-beat-goes-on
https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/emissions-scenarios-cwg-fact-check
https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/well-cited
https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/science-is-not-team-sport
https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/doe-climate-working-group-rip
Enjoy!
Thanks. I would categorize your posts as “broadly supportive” of the CWG report.
Well, yes and no. They cited our work accurately. At the same time, I oppose red team vs blue team assessments. I wrote:
"The Blue team has responded to the report of the Department of Energy’s Climate Working Group (DOE CWG) — the Red team. Together, the two reports show how not to do scientific assessment.
Led by Andrew Dessler of Texas A&M and Robert Kopp of Rutgers, the report (DK25) includes contributions from 85 contributors (mostly academics from various disciplines) and spans 459 pages. The authors should be commended for working fast to prepare their substantive response. Science is better when discussion and debate take place."
Some in the climate science community appear to want to stoke conflict and polarization.
Some in the evolutionary biology community appear to want to stoke conflict and polarization.
Maybe "stoke conflict" wasn't the best term for this.
I use the term "waging standard vicious scientific data-driven hypothesis wars" to describe those professional geneticists and model-testers and field observers who tailor their arguments for other experts in the scientific community.
I use the term "doubtmongering" to apply to those religiously-motivated Creationists who target their arguments at non-experts like journalists and politicians, rife with non sequiturs and logical fallacies.
[Knee-jerk complete. I should go back to running my meth labs now.]
Easter is a time of reflection on resurrection for some of us. We'll fight to bring the report back to life. Trump made a big mistake messin' with The Big All.
Thanks Andrew. Do you know where one can find the email dump?
They are linked here: https://www.edf.org/media/newly-disclosed-records-show-trump-administrations-unlawful-actions-related-secretly-formed